Liz Brenner, LICSW, talks with Dick Schwartz, Phd, about how he developed the IFS model. Dick starts the conversation talking about his own family context, some of his early work experiences and then his days as a family therapist. He reviews some of the critical ideas from family systems therapy that supported his developing ways to work with the internal system. Dick defines Self and Parts. This interview occurred a few weeks after the Center for Self Leadership's Annual Conference celebrating thirty years since Dick first began to conceptualize IFS